Whatever mankind needs the almighty has provided for us. Humanity has done enough damaged to the planet and abused the environment and not allowing it to rebuilt itself, mankind gradually facing the most challenging task to work in harmony with nature, if we do not speed the healing process, the nature will correct itself in its own course and bring great devastation to humanity and mankind will pay the heaviest price for his foolishness and arrogance, purely for more material gains which in fact man has become the loser in his fight with nature. “Nature knows no decay” and nature teaches us what the consequences are when not in harmony.

Started thinking about oil drilling and the pumping out of oil. What replaces the cavity left behind once the oil has been pumped out. Can this create a rich environment for increased pressure on the continental plates. In Florida, water wells create sink holes. Can it be that pumping out the oil, that through millions of years have bouyed the plates into releasing seismic pressures.

This Angel doesn't play a HAARP!

..follow the money...

http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/haarp

Hello,
I just want to tell you that other people around the world are wondering about that unusual tsunami. I call from France and I've been looking around...have some of you heard about the ancient "project Seal", in New Zealand, and have you got news about it ?

hello i wish everyone is o.k my teachers friend was there

My goal is to provoke some serious thinking and some further research into issues not addressed by the mainstream media.

Here some further speculation and facts
http://tinyurl.com/63x4c
that I think are worth giving a look.

Thank you for all of this information.

But one thing that is missing is what's happening to the whales?

I did extensive research last year on how whales are affected by sonar, and found that sonar is the reason many of the beached whales have indeed beached themselves, committing their slow suicide because the military or drilling sonar confuses their own internal sonar systems and tells them to go where they will die--up onto the beaches where they cannot breathe.

If indeed sonar and oil drilling is causing earthquakes, human lives are not the only ones we need to protect. If sonar sound waves are harnful, how do you think earthquakes sound to the sensitive ears of the whales?
In our local newspaper there was an article recently on how elephants had fled their native homes in the days before the tsunami.

These elephants lived in or near the locations hit hardest by the disaster, and they were able to tell something bad was going to happen, and get out of the way.

We should listen to elephants.

Who knows what else they have to say? And the whales--if they are dying becuase of sonar, maybe its not the greatest thing to use?

We should listen to what nature is telling us.

Think about it.

Is it possible that many of the recent earthquakes could be triggered by the extraction of billions of barrels of oil from the earth's crust?

Give it up already! I Read a good letter in my local newpaper and thought I sould let you all know some of what he said:

"The oil industry will respond with, "We don't know for sure"- just as we don't know about global warming, depleted uranium, etc. Our leaders ignore body counts in the hundreds of thousands from possible harmful effects of industrial processes. Ignorence is killing us."

At this point...anything is possible.

As I always say...we are living in an upside down world.

Yo Robin...keep up the good work!

Cosmo Kramer THE Assman

Sunday, January 9, 2005.

United States military planes and ships have rushed to help the US nuclear submarine San Francisco after it ran aground in the Pacific, injuring about 20 crew, one seriously, the US Navy has said.

The Los Angeles class submarine has a crew of 137 and was heading for a port visit in Brisbane when the accident happened.

The vessel's nuclear plant was not damaged in the accident which happened while the San Francisco was conducting underwater operations 560 kilometres south of its base at Guam, the Navy said.

The submarine was heading back to base under its own steam but on the surface on Saturday.

A Pacific fleet spokeswoman said about 20 crew members were injured and one was reported to be in a critical condition.

The injured were being treated on board by medics with special emergency training, the spokeswoman said.

But the submarine was still out of helicopter range to allow the evacuation of the sailor with the most serious injuries, Pacific Fleet spokesman Master Chief John Barnett said.

The submarine was expected to arrive back in port on Monday, but a full investigation into the accident has already started, officials said.

What was the most likely possible cause for this incident?

1. Whales are getting smarter and are now sending out special frequency messages to submarines which causes the submarine to beach itself (poetic justice?).

2. US Navy recruits aren't necessarily the brightest, however, they're the best the US Navy can find.

For the people who believe this is all "wacky nonsense" I suggest you go back and do some research on one, Nikola Tesla.

The following accounts were documented events that occurred around 100 YEARS AGO.

One thing Tesla always iterated was that inducing earthquakes, lightning, etc took VERY little input to generate.

After his death in 1943 the government got all his papers and notes, many of his experiments are still classified 70 yrs later.

Go here to read some of his Tesla's own writings:
http://www.pbs.org/tesla/res/res_arts.html

Excerpt:
"This small device also enabled Tesla to try out his experiments in resonance.

Every substance has a resonant frequency which is demonstrated by the principle of sympathetic vibrations; the most obvious example is the wine glass shattered by an opera singer.

If this frequency is matched and amplified, any material may be literally shaken to pieces.

A vibrating assembly with an adjustable frequency was finally perfected, and by 1897, Tesla was causing trouble with it in and near the neighborhood around his loft laboratory.

Reporter A.L. Besnson wrote about this device in late 1911 or early 1912 for the Hearst tabloid The World Today.

After fastening the resonator ("no larger than an alarm clock") to a steel bar (or "link") two feet long and two inches thick:

He set the vibrator in "tune" with the link. For a long time nothing happened; vibrations of machine and link did not seem to coincide, but at last they did and the great steel began to tremble, increased its trembling until it dilated and contracted like a beating heart; and finally broke. Sledge hammers could not have done it; crowbars could not have done it, but a fusillade of taps, not one of which would have harmed a baby, did it. Tesla was pleased. 

But not pleased enough it seems:

He put his little vibrator in his coat-pocket and went out to hunt a half-erected steel building. Down in the Wall Street district, he found one&endash;ten stories of steel framework without a brick or a stone laid around it. He clamped the vibrator to one of the beams, and fussed with the adjustment until he got it. 

Tesla said finally the structure began to creak and weave and the steel-workers came to the ground panic-stricken, believing that there had been an earthquake.

Police were called out. Tesla put the vibrator in his pocket and went away. Ten minutes more and he could have laid the building in the street.

And, with the same vibrator he could have dropped the Brooklyn Bridge into the East River in less than an hour.

Tesla claimed the device, properly modified, could be used to map underground deposits of oil. A vibration sent through the earth returns an "echo signature" using the same principle as sonar.

This idea was actually adapted for use by the petroleum industry, and is used today in a modified form with devices used to locate objects at archaelogical digs."
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Tom Beardon is the foremost authority on Tesla's work. For a real shocker check out his site, you'll find that we've been able to modify the weather for at least 30 yrs if not more. If that's too much to believe just remember Tesla was doing this stuff 100 yrs ago.
http://www.cheniere.org/toc.html

Owning the Weather in 2025 (1996 Air Force)
http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/volume3/chap15/v3c15-1.htm

Hola,

Someone here wrote that "Sonar is nowhere near powerful enough to cause an earthquake"

"Tesla kept a diary of his experiments in the Colorado Springs lab where he spent nearly nine months.

It consists of 500 pages of handwritten notes and nearly 200 drawings, recorded chronologically between June 1, 1899 and January 7, 1900, as the work occurred, containing explanations of his experiments.

He was developing a system for wireless telegraphy, telephony and the transmission of power, experimented with high-voltage electricity and the possibility of wireless transmitting and distributing large amounts of electrical energy over long distances.

He also conceived a system for geophysical exploration--seismology--which he called telegeodynamics, based on his reciprocating mechanical oscillator patented in 1894, and explained that a long sequence of small explosions could be used to find ore and create earthquakes large enough to destroy the Earth.

He did not experiment with this as he felt there would not be "a desirable outcome."

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“They say much about the Einstein’s theory now.

According to Einstein the ether does not exist and many people agree with him. But it is a mistake in my opinion. Ether’s opponents refer to the experiments of Maykelson – Morli [Michelson-Morley] who made attempts to detect the Earth’s movement relative to the fixed-bed ether.

These experiments failed, however it didn’t mean the ether’s non-existence. I always based as fact the existence of mechanical ether in my works and therefore I could achieve positive success.” Nikola Tesla

“What is the ether and why is it so difficult to detect it?

I reflected on this matter for a seriously long time and here are the outcomes I have been led to:

I think that all the contradictions about whether the ether exists or not are the result of wrong interpretation of ether’s properties. The ether has always been presented as an aeroform environment [gaseous].

That was the essential mistake.

The ether has a very strong density. It is known that of more dense a substance, the higher is the speed of wave propagation within it. When comparing acoustic speed in the air and the light speed I have drawn a conclusion that ether density is several thousand times higher than air density. It is not the ether that is aeroform [gaseous] but the material world is an aeroform to the ether!”

Nikola Tesla

Shortly before his death in 1943 Tesla had submitted a proposal to FDR to counter the damaging potential of fission based nuclear energy development. He claimed in his proposal to the President that he knew of a method by which we could get all of the energy we could ever use from the space that surrounds us.

The meeting that was scheduled with FDR as a result of this proposal never occurred. Tesla was found dead in his New York apartment. The official report attributed his death to "natural" causes but many were not satisfied that this was the case.

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New York World - Telegram

July 11, 1935

“I was experimenting with vibrations, I had one of my machines going and I wanted to see if I could get it in tune with the vibration of the building. I put it up notch after notch. There was a peculiar cracking sound.”

“I asked my assistants where did the sound come from. They did not know. I put the machine up a few more notches. There was a louder cracking sound. I knew I was approaching the vibration of the steel building. I pushed the machine a little higher.”

“Suddenly all the heavy machinery in the place was flying around. I grabbed a hammer and broke the machine. The building would have been about our ears in another few minutes. Outside in the street there was pandemonium.

The police and ambulances arrived. I told my assistants to say nothing. We told the police it must have been an earthquake. That’s all they ever knew about it.” Nikola Tesla

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Science took a wrong turn in 1887 when Albert A. Michelson and Edward W. Morley conducted a famous experiment, called the Michelson-Morley Experiment.

This wrong turn formed an errant foundation our current physics and science rests upon, starting from Albert Einstein (Einstein’s Postulates & special theory of relativity) to modern day electromagnetic theory. This wrong turn will rock science to its foundation when realized.

It will shatter theories and rewrite a century of books. Among the most devastating will be a crumbling of modern astrophysical theory on formation of our universe (big bang, age of, redshift, and more).

Yet, an early scientist was acutely aware of this errant path, but considered it a blessing.

Why?

A quote:

“I am even grateful to Einstein and others because through their erroneous theories they lead mankind away from that dangerous path I followed.”

Nikola Tesla

You all make a good case! I believe that the whales were driven from there habitual by us mere being's, poor creatures!

Has anyone thought about the longterm consequence of bleeding our planet of it's blood so to speak! Oil has taken millions of years to form, If we are drilling at the rate we are, does this not cause an effect where the pressure will become less of that of what it was! maybe thus causing the movement of the plates to become more severe!

Just an idea!

While it is understandable to associate such a disaster with human activities like sonar exploration, as has been pointed out in earlier posts, one has to try and comprehend the difference in scale of the two events.

Sonar arrays are towed behind research vessels and have to transmit through a certain depth before even reaching the bottom. Even though beam-forming is used, there is loss from spherical spreading (distance squared) such that sensitive amplifiers and sophisticated signal processing must be used to recover the signal echoes and produce data.

Like Richard said, its like trying to attribute the catastrophe to something as insignificant as childs cough, like the old zen equivalent of a butterfly flapping it's wings in a rainforest causing a hurricane. With such a large area such as a tectonic plate under stress, surely it couldn't be waiting for a pin drop to set it off when much larger triggers are naturally ocurring!

What about a blue whales grunt? Just reading through my son's science book, they are said to be able to produce sounds of 170dB, enough to kill and stun prey. If one of these was having a bad day (or a good day hunting or communicating) at the sea floor, this could put much more "heavy vibrations" into the crust than an air gun array at the surface.

However, debate is good, and its not silly to raise these ideas, especially at a time when man's activities are having such an effect on our environment.

One only has to look at the extremes of weather and climate world-wide to wonder how bad is it going to get.

And if one really wants to look at something that could really cause unusual events, and consider the threats of secrecy, conspiracy or terrorism, US airforce report 2025 (http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025) describes the need for weather modification as an offensive and defensive weapon.

The HAARP program (High-Frequency Active Auroral Research Program) based in Alaska is an array of antennas and transmitters that is capable of focusing and aiming a super-powerful electromagnetic beam (radio frequency) into the ionosphere, heating and modifying localised areas for research purposes.

However, this research, coupled with a projected increase of transmitter power to 3600kW and an increase in the number of antennas in the array from 48 to 180, possibly points to a larger full-scale intention to develop a capability to disrupt and control global communications and weather patterns.

In fact, it would seem foolish NOT to develop such capability, as if such control could be wielded by unfriendly organisations and nations from afar, the US and friendly nations could pay a terrible price.

If ever a scenario existed comparable to the sonar fear, consider this. We are pumping huge quantities of contaminants into the atmosphere. Already there are justified fears of global warming and weather patterns that appear extreme under human record and memory.

What knife edge are we sitting on, that another rocket launch, another passenger jet, another ionosphere experiment, or another spray of that deodorant could cause a spiralling descent into global climate chaos? Or is it already happening?

And what about the huge amounts of toxic or nuclear waste "securely" stored waiting for improvements in processing, or the ultimate recycling event, when the sun becomes a red giant!

And now I'm going to go and make an enjoyable cup of coffee, made by electricity delivered by a power station possibly burning fossil fuels, (although just as possibly by a hydro-station in this neck of the woods).

Take care, and thoughts are with the victims of a natural disaster that is almost impossible to comprehend from a distance.

well it's about time someone said it!

Sledghammer of fallacy.. i think you're a clown.. no.. a muppet.. no.. you've been conceived by a clown AND a muppet!

What's the point of this discussion/debate anyway?.. there are many conspiracy theories regarding 9/11.. but nothing significant has been deduced and we're all made to believe by the power of CNN/BBC that osama and posse were behind the attrocities. Hey... maybe it was those guys again who were responsible for the tsunami!

Lets just stand together in solidarity and clear the mess whoever/whatever caused it.. cos nobody cares what robin or the rest of us think!

Been watching “The Core” have we?

Dear god, your analysis and the assumptions invoked are shockingly poor.

No matter what you believe, we do not have anything that is capable of causing an earthquake. Sonar is nowhere near powerful enough to cause an earthquake and the waves disperse relatively quickly.

Let’s go back ~150years and recall the events that happened along the series of faults parallel to Sumatra to New Zealand. We find that earthquakes that occur along this edge of the Ring of Fire come in pairs, two very large pairs every 50 years.

Anyway let’s not spoil your fun. Of course this is a conspiracy; mankind has the ability to cause earthquakes. Look what’s that in the sky...a pig?

I agree with the first poster. This is absolute nonsense and quite a shock to see on Robin's site which I look to for common sense observations and insights not bad science claims. I understand the temptation to want to find some causal relationship here (like that the Greenhouse effect had something to do with the tsunami) but that's not the way plate tectonics works.

I am completely fascinated by this information and hope that someone reading this will keep me informed. It seems almost impossible that this information is not being widely disseminated and is clearly one of the most outrageous examples of "managed news."

I actually heard about the 12/24 earthquake shortly after it happened, however, was unable to obtain additional information about it after the 12/26 disaster until today.

PLEASE INCLUDE ME IN THE "INNER CIRCLE" OF INFORMATION.

Thank You.

I think you need to look at the bigger picture. Don't you think that when you look at the regularity of earthquakes over a hundred years ago and compare to the amount in the last 50 years there is a pattern with how much we are increasingly drilling for natural resources, you just need to look at the locations in which earthquakes happen. I am no expert but I think mother nature is definatly telling us we are sapping the earth and she isnt happy about it!

Refer the response to the question asked in the Senate below. Is the 'Coral Sea' in the proximity of the first of the series of earthquakes?

SENATE QUESTION ON NOTICE No. 19
16 November 2004:

(5) Will the Minister provide details of: (a) the sonar systems used in Australian waters; and (b) the proposals to use active sonar during the proposed joint military training exercises between Australia and the United States of America (US) in Shoalwater Bay and surrounding waters.

(b) Yes. Vessel mounted active anti-submarine warfare sonar is not used in Shoalwater Bay nor in the immediate vicinity. Anti-submarine warfare exercises will be conducted far offshore in the Coral Sea.

I would certainly agree that all possible causes should be explored. Who said anything about a 'conspiracy'. That would suggest it was intentional and no-one has suggested that, however, there are a number of factors that could have contributed (ie. it's not impossible to induce an earthquake and this is not the first time this has been raised).

In addition to oil exploration consider also other contributing factors such as underwater testing conducting by the US Navy (& others)?

From what I hear the Australian Govt cannot advise as to what SONARs the US or other navies are using as they don't know.

In addition there are Nuke subs around Australia regularly as part of US deployment.

There also appears to have been increased pressure in the US since 2002 to conduct 'testing' and there has been a little controversy about that in the US. No doubt it's all shrouded in secrecy in any event.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s440411.htm

The US Navy regularly uses sonar signals to track submarines, and conducts controlled underwater explosions, writes New Scientist's James Hrynyshyn. US research suggests that underwater explosions and sonar tests used in research and exploration might be causing haemorrhaging and 'the bends' in marine mammals.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/k2/moments/s837550.htm

The International Monitoring System was a global network of hundreds of seismometers that was built to check for nuclear blasts under the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty. This treaty (which has no legal force because a handful of nations, including the United States, won't sign it) was supposed to ban all types of nuclear explosions. Even though the treaty has not been ratified, and so is not legally binding, the global network of seismometers still exists - and Terry Wallace uses it to do forensic seismology.

Weapons of Mass Destruction - United States (Submarines carrying nuclear weapons) It would be difficult to believe there has been no underwater testing!:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_United_States_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
Sea-based ICBMs
The US Navy currently has 15 Ohio-class submarines deployed. Each submarine is equipped with a complement of 24 Trident missiles, eight with Trident I missiles, and ten with Trident II missiles. Approximately 12 U.S. attack submarines are equipped to launch, but do not currently carry, nuclear Tomahawk missiles Sea-launch weapons make up the majority of weapons declared under START II rules.

Royal Navy
In 1995 the U.S. agreed to sell Britain more than 60 Tomahawks to arm Royal Navy (RN) nuclear submarines. The first missiles were acquired in 1998 with the first RN Tomahawk test also occurring that year. It is, as of 2004 in use with the Swiftsure and Trafalgar class nuclear fleet submarines, and it is planned all RN submarines will be Tomahawk capable by 2008 The Tomahawk will also be deployed by the future Astute-class nuclear fleet submarine. In 2004 the UK and USA governments reached an agreement for the UK to buy sixty-four of the new generation of Tomahawk missile, the Block IV or TacTom missile. The SYLVER vertical launch system to be fitted to the Type 45 destroyer is claimed to have the capability to fire the Tomahawk by its manufacturers. Therefore it would appear that Tomahawk is a candidate to be fitted to the T45 if the decision is made to fit her with cruise missiles. However, there is some doubt over the truth of the manufacturer's claims. France, which also uses the SYLVER launcher, is developing a version of the Storm Shadow Scalp cruise missile capable of launch from the SYLVER system, which would give a similar land attack capability.
It was first used by the RN, when HMS Splendid fired Tomahawks during the Kosovo War in 1999 It was later used by the RN in the Afghanistan War in 2001 as-well as Operation Telic , the British contribution to the 2003 Iraq War.

Of course, in the event there has been some underwater testing conducted, the exercises would be shrouded in secrecy no doubt.

Robin, your analysis is timely and long overdue.

Most disturbingly, their is no one of national stature raising the concern of the need to make sure that all measures are being taken to study the possibility that human activity may be causing seismic disasters.

Please also look into electromagnetic human activity that might be heating the magma in the earth's crust and further contributing to the shifting of tectonic plates.

The risks of not investigating the causes of the recent growth in the number and severity of earth quakes far outweighs the short run profit of myopic big money interests in ignoring this global apocalyptic problem.

Sorry, 400 km in the previous comment should be 40 km. That would be about 25/30 miles.

Well Richard, the use of sonar bombing technology to discover oil at or just about before the major (8.1) earthquake just at the southern edge of the Tasmanian Sea is uncontested.

I don't think we can talk of small energy, when the super sonar goes down some 400 km under the sea floor. Got to be pretty powerful stuff. The heavy vibrations from this may well set off an earthquake that has been due, and perhaps make it worse than it would have been without.

Two days later, the other side of the Australian plate shakes loose and displaces with a 9.0 earthquake and huge tsunami wave. I would say it is not an altogether unlikely scenario and should very well be investigated.

Robin, your website is excellent with a huge amount of useful material but I'm sorry to see you posting such rubbish as this.

There may be a link between seismic testing (controlled explosions in the sea) and whale beachings, this would be because whales are sensitive to noise just as we are.

It is also true that smaller earthquakes could have an effect on triggering larger ones, after large earthquake the whole planet can 'ring' like a bell but don't get carried away with this idea, it 'rings' only by a very small amount.

I'm sure that seismic explosions could not have caused the recent tsunami. Think about what happened, one plate has been trying to move beneath another for 150 years. This has built up an enormous amount of strain - pent up energy waiting to be released. The friction holding this energy back must have been huge itself. A seismic explosion is a really tiny amount of energy in comparison - the equipment that generates them is trailed behind the controlling ships and the explosions are set off with no damage to the ship or inhabitants.

I don't believe such a small energy source could trigger the massive forces holding the plates back to give way. And even if it was 'the straw that broke the donkeys back' the energy would still have been released in the near future with just as much devestation.

An analogy would be a great river bank holding back a river in flood, if the bank failed it wouldn't be because a small child had just coughed in the vicinity.

Its human nature to want to blame someone for a terrible occurrance, I'm sorry but this is just another conspiracy theory.

What's really sad about the tragedy is that we didn't spend a few millions on setting up a warning system. It is human nature to ignore things that are unlikely to happen even if they have huge consequences.

There are volcaoes buidling up to an eruption, landslides in the Canaries waiting to fall into the sea and cause a Tsunami in the Atlantic and people living in the way of rivers that will flood.

Prevention costs so little but we don't have the political will to do anything until a disaster occurs.